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it was

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between 9 and 9 15 we was coming back

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from New Caney we had been to a bingo

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game midi cash

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my grandson Kobe Landrum and me

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and um

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we started seeing the line over to the

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left of us

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and it seemed to be

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way off and but we got to wondering what

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it was and uh

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the trees every once in a while would

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make it disappear and then it would come

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back into view

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and as we went down the road well

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were you afraid at all

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not at first we was just curious to you

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know and wondering what it was and uh

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because Kobe kept saying uh see it

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Grandma see it Grandma uh he'd say see

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it ain't Betty and uh

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so we said yeah we see it and he'd say

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what is it and we said well we don't

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know you know

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you estimate what color it was or how

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big it was well it was

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um

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when we first saw it it was

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um about half as big as a water tower

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and it looked um

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you know it was a big bike kind of

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glowing light you know and um

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so

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as we traveled on down the road well uh

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it disappeared and then it come back

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nobody was following you at all no we

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were going like we were going toward

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where it was

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and it was kind of like it was floating

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uh on to the

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closer to the left of us

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and um

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so

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when we get

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down here I'll show you exactly where

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he's at

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were there any other cars on this road

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if it's you know it was kind of Cloudy

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and had been bad

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it was um

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when it's like that there's not very

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many people to travel through here

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because it's

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you know in the wintertime people stay

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the year was this

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uh

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not down here

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what about you Kobe what'd you think of

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it's scary

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like bright

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yeah

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right before

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it looked like a diamond

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nope it was a white light

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no it was it looked like fire

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it's like fire

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I'll tell you what scared of then you

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is it making a big noise like a trainer

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about where that sign is yeah just a

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okay now once we get past this sign

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what began to happen I love them down a

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little bit further

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well all at once I saw it and when it

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come in to the left of us and um

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I screamed

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on down a little bit further

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not long about here

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and it was raining and everything we

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couldn't pull over it out of the road

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but it it's just like it it come down

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and it was just you know hanging up

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there and um

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blocking your path well I I feel like if

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we had a went on

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we would have burned up because you

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could feel the heat from it and it was

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um about the size of a water tower and

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when the Fire come out out the bottom of

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it it would it never did get only just

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you know past you know up above the

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Treetops I thought you saw something

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that there was actual flame shooting out

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of it yes sir the flame when it would

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come down it would lift and when it

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would let

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off it would ease back like it was going

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to come down you know and making a loud

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noise yes sir any uh when the flame

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would come way down it sounded like

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you've heard um

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um

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let me explain to you this way uh uh

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like when anybody's doing well then you

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know how that the sound except it was

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loud loud loud and when it would come

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down well that's what it would lift up

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in the um it just sat there suspended

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and Betty got out Betty cash and walked

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past the front of the car because she

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was trying to find out what it was

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um two or three minutes I guess and uh

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he was trying to get away from it to run

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and um I grabbed a hold of him and he

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and pushed him back in the car and he

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grabbed a hold of me of pulling and

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screaming for me to get back in the car

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and I got back in the car and I was

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begging Betty to get back in the car

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because I felt like we were going to

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burn up and um

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all I could think of

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I've been raised that you know the world

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will be destroyed by fire you know and

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the whole area looked like it was you

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know from the light of it looked like

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that the whole Woods was going to be set

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on fire and uh Kobe was screaming and

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everything and I was afraid that he was

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going to have a heart attack so um I'm

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beginning to talk to him that you know

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if he saw a big band it would be Jesus

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and he'd come to cast a better place and

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um he asked me one part about his papa

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and I said we go through Dayton and pick

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him up that's all I could think of to

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calm him down enough that he

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with that that he wouldn't die because

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I've always felt like that anybody could

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be scared enough that they would die and

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um

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I was scared and he was scared and Betty

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got back in the car and she was scared

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but when it that last plane come way

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down it lifted off and it went over to

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the right of us and it just gradually

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went up and went it didn't foof off it

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you know gradually went and we when it

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got out of the way we started on down

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and we could see it

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but

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we saw that we saw helicopters how many

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helicopters and they were well a lot of

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I mean they were

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more and more because they a helicopter

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just kept coming you know from all

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directions and they were the kind that

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uh reason we

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were so curious about them they had the

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double rotaries to them you know the

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kind that we never I had never saw

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before what happened when you got out of

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the car well uh when I screamed for her

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to stop uh it would have went on under

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it we'd have burned up

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and um we got out in the car

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um

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to see if we could figure out you know

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what it was

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and I think we got out in the car to run

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but Kobe was screaming and hollering and

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trying to get away from me and I knew if

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I let him away I don't know where I'd

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have called him or not so I grabbed him

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and pushed him back in the car

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was it threatening you at all

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no it was just hanging there and when

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the fire come down it would lift

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and then when the fire let up it was

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like it was coming back down again and

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it was hot

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it was real hot

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what happened to you and um

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well I didn't realize at the time

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anything was happening to me

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except I was afraid I got back out when

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we got back in the car and I finally got

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Betty back in the car and it lifted and

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went over to the lot of us we was on our

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way home well um I had a headache and

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Betty could take my terrible headache

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and um

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Kobe said he was burning

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and it was just like we had been out in

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the

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heat and got sunburned you know how to

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um win anything a chappie in the winter

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time and you feel like you you know you

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burning

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well that's the way we felt and I got

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home and put uh baby lotion on us and by

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one o'clock we was blistered and Betty

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uh the lady that was with us Betty cash

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she had big blisters on

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this side

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of her on her neck and on her face and

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it was

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big old knots they hadn't come out into

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blisters and um

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I tried for from I

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from December and I tried till the 2nd

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of January before I got her into a

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hospital I got a doctor to see her

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because she didn't have any people here

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and I somebody had to take care of her

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and when I got her in the hospital all

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of them down there asked if we was a

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burn patient

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and she said no yeah but I mean I wasn't

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as bad as she was so I felt like that I

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had to stay able to take care of Kobe

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and to take care of her what did the

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doctor say to you when he examined all

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three of you uh

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well he that's what he asked is have had

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we been burned

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and we told him not his you know no

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because we hadn't we thought he meant

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like burn with fire or you know

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something like that and um

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when Betty broke out in those big old

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blisters and all of her hair started

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falling out

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well um they couldn't understand it and

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he couldn't find out what was wrong with

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her and uh so um

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I knew it had to be something that

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happened

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with the object because we were all

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three of us we had the same symptoms we

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were hurt bad where were you hurt the

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worst well um just my eyes medically

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what exactly happened to you and Kobe uh

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did it hurt your eyes it hurt our eyes

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ah

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because my eyes swelled and they teared

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when I'd go to sleep at night next

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morning my pillow would be completely

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wet and it looked just like

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they were just gonna deteriorate what

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did it do to your skin

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well same thing the blisters

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and and then the blisters you know when

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they started getting

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better they were runny blisters and and

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it's like that my whole hand was going

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to bleed my arms what did the doctors

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they um

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said it had to be some sort of radiation

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are you experiencing anything else

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besides

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vomiting and um like him he had no

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we couldn't eat and we drink water I

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mean it was just like we were dying for

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a drink of water we didn't want we

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didn't want cold we didn't want nothing

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but water

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we couldn't get enough water

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when you came out of the car and looked

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and you saw this thing move away what

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exactly went on when you saw it lift off

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well I said I was sitting back in the

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car I hadn't got back in the car and I

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said Thank God It's Going you know

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and I said uh

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let's wait a minute and we'll be ready

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uh then maybe we can you know get Andre

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so when it lifted well um

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on under it I mean on down the road

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because it had drifted over to to the

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left of us and um

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I just want to begin to see the

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helicopters what kind of helicopters

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well um

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what made you think they were

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helicopters because uh

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they sounded I mean the rotaries and

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everything you could hear the swish of

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them you could hear the Aurora um

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and um

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you can see them from the a glow from

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the object you could see the helicopters

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this object was it suspended by a cable

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or something from one of the helicopters

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I could we couldn't tell

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but it uh you know when it was

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hanging there you know like it was going

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to fall we could hear a beep

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and it was a loud beep it's real it's

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real shrill beat beep how many

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helicopters were there in the air

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um

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well they didn't count them here when we

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we went on down it's about four miles we

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stopped and we counted uh the

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helicopters I counted 22. 22 helicopters

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said there's another one and I said yeah

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that makes 23. but I actually counted

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22.

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I could account and one want to you know

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are

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twice maybe but if they'd have been

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eight or ten of them that big a helicopt

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because it would have been too many were

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they chasing this object

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well they uh it was like as if they were

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around it and and coming to it and

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everything like it was this object was

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and they were you know maybe

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gonna you know

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be there in case it fell or something

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what happened then when you saw the

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helicopters and this object in the air

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well it um

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kept drifting off to the right of us and

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when we got almost to Dayton we could

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yet look back and see the uh

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the object the glow of the object and

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they were yet helicopters come yet

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coming and going toward it what do you

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think all this was I think it's

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something the government

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has and it got out of control

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you don't think it was a spaceship from

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another planet you think it was Earth

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it was something the government had up

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there

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if they didn't if it wasn't government

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the government knew about it because the

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helicopters were up there and they were

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our government helicopters if they don't

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know about it somebody's done ripped

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them off did you contact the Air Force

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after your incident happened and ask

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them what they were doing out here yes

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sir and they said they wasn't out here

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they said the helicopters don't fly at

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did you try to contact the Air Force

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about what you saw

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yesterday we went to uh

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um Austin to the Air Force Base and

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begged them for help what did they tell

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you they said if we wanted any help we

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would have to find us a lawyer and file

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some papers did they deny having these

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helicopters in the area oh they didn't

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know nothing about it but they had the

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map spread out

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and we couldn't see because our eyes

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were burning so bad and the lady that

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was in there pinpointed the road to us

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but yet they didn't know nothing about

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it did the Army have anything to do with

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this did you try to contact the Army

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we've tried to contact everybody

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and everybody denies it

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but apart one of the

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um National Guard Pilots said they were

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called out that night by Montgomery

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County Sheriff's department but when he

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was counted he didn't know nothing about

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that either he said that Miss cash and

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me told him Miss cash wasn't with me

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when he told me it was my friend

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because me as cash was in the hospital

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for this object

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they were investigating an object right

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but you don't think it was

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extraterrestrial you think it was an Air

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Force project

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and they should be responsible for the

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damage they caused you and your family

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right

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put that by the government the

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government knew about it and they have

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control over the Airways why didn't they

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stop it what artists

389
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what happened to Kobe well um like I say

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he

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most of his hair come out

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and he had this diarrhea and had no

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control over his bowels or his kidneys

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and he was blistered doctors say that

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was a radiation poison and they said

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there's a possibility that was radiation

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poisoning and if we could

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said we need to find out the kind of

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radiation it was because if if it was

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radiation by the time he's 15 to 18

401
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years old he'll come down like with

402
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leukemia but it won't be leukemia

403
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and if they was to treat him for

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leukemia

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it could kill him because of the

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radiation that would be in his body and

407
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did you tell the Air Force what your

408
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doctor told you yeah what did they tell

409
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you they said well there was nothing

410
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they could do about it

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and if we wanted to do anything about it

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we'd have to if we could find us a

413
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lawyer we'd have to find us a civilian

414
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told the Air Force about this that they

415
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absolutely without a doubt deny anything

416
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was up at all or did they say no comment

417
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well they wouldn't comment on it

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but um they didn't deny it they didn't

419
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deny

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they didn't comment on it no they didn't

421
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and um what do you plan to that's

422
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serious well we could come down you know

423
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in his later years that could affect his

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health what are you gonna do

425
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that's why I'm fighting now

426
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well I'm I'm trying to find out what it

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was

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can find out what kind of radiation it

429
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it was putting out because we certainly

430
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didn't pull our hair out we didn't burn

431
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ourselves and I didn't uh injure my eyes

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to where I can't see out of one of them

433
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and I sure wouldn't enjoy a little

434
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seven-year-old boy

435
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because I love him with all my heart

436
00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:00,840
you still have marks on your hands right

437
00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:02,760
and I'll carry them as long as I live I

438
00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:15,289
On My Feet

439
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:17,390
those are all from the incident that

440
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I think I don't have something to fight

441
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:24,059
about

442
00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:29,280
well I can't see none on the side vision

443
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,320
of this sign and it's just like I'm

444
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using one eye

445
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,500
I can't see how

446
00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:36,720
to read anymore

447
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,140
I can't drive the automobile no more

448
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:42,240
so when I have to go somewhere I have to

449
00:20:47,169 --> 00:20:43,980
get either my daughter or my

450
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daughter-in-law or my grandson

451
00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:49,679
so when you and your grandma were

452
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driving down here

453
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,940
you saw that bright light were you

454
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,860
afraid

455
00:21:01,730 --> 00:20:58,080
well not at first

456
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:01,740
but after he got on closer to it I got

457
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:04,140
scared did it hurt you

458
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:08,940
well it burned it when I got home and

459
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:12,179
when I went to sleep my grandma I had

460
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:14,280
blisters on me

461
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and um

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what what the same night thank you

463
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:22,559
the next morning I had a bunch of

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blisters on my face

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and

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um I got my doctor me do you feel sick

467
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at all

468
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:38,630
what do you think it was out there

469
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,510
what up all I can think of is the

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if you didn't know about the government

471
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what do you think it might be

472
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I don't know

473
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what exactly did it look like to you do

474
00:22:08,210 --> 00:21:59,520
you think it was being chased by

475
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what exactly did it look like to you

476
00:22:15,289 --> 00:22:13,020
you think it might have been a spaceship

477
00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:15,299
no it couldn't have been special why do

478
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:16,919
you say that I don't believe in

479
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spaceships

480
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it looked like a diamond shaped did it

481
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move fast or slow it moved slow

482
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was it loud

483
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yeah this is loud it's it it sounded

484
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like a jet engine but it

485
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,640
sounded like about five jet engines put

486
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:37,919
together what did you see out there that

487
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:44,330
three of them what were they doing

488
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23 helicopters I mean they're big

489
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,520
helicopters

490
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:55,679
how big was that object would you say as

491
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I think it's a water

492
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and the helicopters were over it what

493
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were they doing shining lights on it or

494
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anything

495
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:14,029
did the helicopters have their lights on

496
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so you could see if they were army or

497
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,020
Air Force or you could identify what

498
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,120
they were you couldn't really tell but

499
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there was double rotary lack the

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governments helicopters now those double

501
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rotary propellers

502
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are used by helicopters that haul around

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[Applause]

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[Music]

505
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are you scared anymore

506
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,179
well I'll have I hadn't have I'm not mad

507
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:53,280
about it what kind of nightmares did you

508
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:02,450
wow I mean what did you dream about that

509
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,409
what was it doing to you

510
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,130
but not it's just not close out here

511
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,120
again

512
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:17,580
you don't dream about that anymore

513
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,570
well I hadn't for a long time

514
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,980
so you're not scared anymore

515
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:29,039
well sometimes I think about it and I

516
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:35,110
what are your friends at school thing

517
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well most of them don't believe me